Glazes under UPP and EX

**rtbrick** · 08-11-2003, 08:19 PM

Seems a little talked about trend is to use a glaze prior to UPP or EX. I plan to try it on my silver truck and dark blue car in the next month or two (I have fresh coats of UPP and EX on them now). Many of you like 3M Imperial Hand Glaze and I have read a few good comments about the ClearKote Vanilla Moose Wax Hand Glaze. To be honest, the Meguiars naming convention confuses me, so I have not taken the time to reveiw their products in depth, even though many of you like and use them regularly.

So, what`s your glaze of choice? And does it reduce the longevity of UPP or EX?

**Poorboy** · 08-11-2003, 08:24 PM

I`ve found using my Polish w/ Carnuba like a glaze works very well for hiding and protecting before EX...

instead of working it into a prepared surface...lay it out lightly like a glaze or wax and then let it haze and wipe away without intense buffing ...all by hand preferably...then by hand top it with EX for an outstanding shine

**NattyBumppo** · 08-11-2003, 08:32 PM

Originally posted by rtbrick
Seems a little talked about trend is to use a glaze prior to UPP or EX. I plan to try it on my silver truck and dark blue car in the next month or two (I have fresh coats of UPP and EX on them now). Many of you like 3M Imperial Hand Glaze and I have read a few good comments about the ClearKote Vanilla Moose Wax Hand Glaze. To be honest, the Meguiars naming convention confuses me, so I have not taken the time to reveiw their products in depth, even though many of you like and use them regularly.

So, what`s your glaze of choice? And does it reduce the longevity of UPP or EX?

If you want to use a glaze prior to either UPP or EX I would suggest either 3M PI-III Machine Glaze or Meg`s Speed Glaze if you have any swirls or other light finish problems. I have used the 3M PI-III Machine Glaze under both EX and UPP and it does not hamper either product. The PI-III Machine Glaze doesn`t leave behind any residue (at least not enough to cause any problem with either product) and leaves a nice glossy, smooth finish. The Meg`s Speed Glaze contains what Meguiars calls a "paintable polymer" so I would guess UPP would adhere fine. I should qualify that by saying I haven`t personally tried that combo. Maybe someone else here can help out with that combo. The Speed Glaze will definetely not hamper EX`s capabilities.

If your finish is already spiffy with no real problem areas then I would most likely pick 3M PI-III Finishing Glaze. The PI-III Finishing Glaze is also supposed to contain a bit of polymer protection which should be a good foundation for either UPP or EX.

Natty

**windsor the troll** · 08-11-2003, 08:41 PM

I don`t think the carnuba under the sealant will allow the sealant to bond and perform properly.
Please correct me if I am mistaken

**JeffBruce** · 08-11-2003, 09:25 PM

If I use a Glaze I put Wax (Souvran,S100, Blitz) on top of it....not a Polymer..
I do like Meguiars Machine Glaze...
jeff

**windsor the troll** · 08-12-2003, 03:56 AM

Thanks Jeff,
I think I will go with S100 wax instead of EX because of prep and bonding issues with sealants.
Much easier IMO

**Gadfly** · 08-12-2003, 06:38 AM

UPP works just fine when applied over Megs #81 Hand Polish - which is actually a glaze. According to Meguiars it is "paintable."

http://www.autopia.org/forums/showth...threadid=26882

**EBPcivicsi** · 08-12-2003, 08:48 AM

With EX, I have not had an issue with it bonding to most glazes. I have tried 3M IHG, PB polish w/carnauba, SSR2, and meg`s speed glaze.
The UPP on the other hand seems to be a bit pickier. I usually stick to 3M IHG though I have had good luck with meg`s #5 and #9. With UPP I always use UPC after any glaze so that could be cleaning all the oils left behind by the glazes and allowing UPP to bond.

**NattyBumppo** · 08-12-2003, 09:03 AM

Originally posted by EBPcivicsi
With EX, I have not had an issue with it bonding to most glazes. I have tried 3M IHG, PB polish w/carnauba, SSR2, and meg`s speed glaze.
The UPP on the other hand seems to be a bit pickier. I usually stick to 3M IHG though I have had good luck with meg`s #5 and #9. With UPP I always use UPC after any glaze so that could be cleaning all the oils left behind by the glazes and allowing UPP to bond.

Wouldn`t that sort of defeat the purpose of using the glaze

. There are glazes that will work no problemo with UPP. The three I mentioned in my previous post come to mind.

Natty

**Poorboy** · 08-12-2003, 09:34 AM

I`ve read hundreds of posts on many forums and have had no one have any bonding problems with EX...over and under so many different products that make my mind spin

So far to this day...the best picture..and mind you I think pictures are really only good for the guy who took them...(2 dimensional like tv infomercials) .....that Souvern over EX was the best I`ve seen in pictures, but then again only one person has seen my new paste wax over EX

**Thomasfl** · 08-12-2003, 09:35 AM

Glazes like #7 & IHG have alot of oils. It seems to me that these oils which is what gives them there impressive look would hamper the bonding of polymers. I prefer using Clearkote`s Vanilla Moose Wax Glaze under both UPP and EX, but one thing it has no fillers and the name like many products really doesn`t represent it perfectly. Vanilla Moose has a higher gloss than #7 & IHG and has some of that deep wet look that AIO doesn`t. I also like the VM because you can use it in direct sunlight and it`s easy to use. EX has a slightly oily look, but UPP lacks that, by using VM with UPP you can add some depth that AIO will not. But remember we are talking about high quality products which all work amazing and it becomes subjective upon the individual on what slighty different look you prefer.

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**EBPcivicsi** · 08-12-2003, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by NattyBumppo

Wouldn`t that sort of defeat the purpose of using the glaze . There are glazes that will work no problemo with UPP. The three I mentioned in my previous post come to mind.

Natty

Natty, when working with UPP, I just like to make sure the surface is very clean. Is it overkill? Probably with some glazes, but with the meg`s glazes that I have on hand I feel the UPC is neccessary and does not take away from the look(plus it is so easy I don`t mind doing it). When I invest in some PI-III MG, I am sure I will skip the UPC.