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Default How to Prevent and Cure, Remove or Hide spider webbing from Black paint

Hey guys! I am Javed and I am from Melbourne. I am in IT professional so I am not good at car stuff. But I love cars and I recently bought a brand new Toyota Camry 2012 model. It was delivered from the factory 2 months ago. Till then I am driving it regularly. It has dynamic black paint. The black paint shines and looks awesome in sun light and shimmer metallic purple. The paint came with fusion paints protection by Advanced Protection (http://www.advancedprotection.com.au...w/exterior.php) offered by Toyota while buying the car. Only problem is after hand washing 4/5 times, the paint is having light spider webbing, and holograms (very fine scratches). So now the paint still shines the same but with spider webbings and holograms in it. I never took this car to auto car wash and always hand washed by myself using the car shampoo provided by Advanced Protection. I always followed 2 buckets method, using pure lamb wool mitten and dried with single micro fiber towel. I wash my car top to bottom, but clean my wheels first.
Please suggest me how should I wash the car and what mothers’ products should I use to prevent spider webbing and scratching and what mothers’ product should I use to cure or hide these scratches to keep my car paint in perfect shape with deep shiny black look or showroom look. I do not want to remove/cut my clear coat at all. Just to let you know that this is my first black car. Thanks & Cheers.
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Welcome to waxforum.com, and congrats on the new car.

It sounds like you are doing most thing right. I might suggest, though, you change your drying program since you have black paint.

For starters, remove the nozzle from your hose and flood the surface under low pressure, with the end of the hose held just above the surface. I prefer using a plastic quarter turn valve to save water and prevent damage if the end comes in contact with the paint surface

And, instead of wiping dry, consider patting/blotting the surface. We have a great foam core, waffle weave drying towel that's ideal for this, but I don't think it's available in Oz. I just lay it on the paint, and pat the towel - the foam core picks up all the excess water. Using any type of towel in a patting dry method will prevent marring from being introduced.

You mentioned using just 1 microfiber towel to dry the surface. If it is the regular sized towel, one isn't enough - 3 or 4 would be more appropriate - and make sure they are quality towels and not inexpensive bargain-bin ones.

As for as removal of the marring already present, it will involve using a polish - which you mentioned you are against. I see no problem with polishing paint twice a year or so. Using a matched machine/pad/polish is quite safe, and easy, to do.

Products like our Step 2 Micro-Polishing Glaze can help hide micromarring, but a polish will be needed to remove it. If you go this route, make sure you apply a wax without any cleaners in it to protect the glazed surface.

BTW, how are you laundering your towel? Never wash microfiber with any other material type; use a liquid detergent, and no fabric softener in the washer or dryer. Dry on low as high heat will damage the material.
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If you do the wheels first I would use a different mitt, would not use the wheel mitt on the paint.

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Yep I do use different mitt for my wheels.

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If you do the wheels first I would use a different mitt, would not use the wheel mitt on the paint.

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Thanks Forrest for your detailed reply. And you are right I could not find this foam core, waffle weave drying towel here in AU. I will get some high quality mf towel instead for time being and will order online for mothers towel later. I heard if I use mothers instant detailer spray while gliding mf towels for drying it will not scratch/spiderweb the paint. is it true?
I am just wondering, if I use glaze and then wax, will my paint shine and look good as new? Another question is, which mothers wax shoudl I use after glaze for the perfect look?
Thanks..
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Using an instant detailer while drying CAN reduce the chance of spiderwebbing, but there are many variables at play (if dust has landed on the paint; the quality and cleanliness of the microfiber towel; the amount of pressure applied, etc.). Technique is very important when it comes to black paint care.

As for the glaze/wax combo, it can certainly help with the paint's appearance. But, again, both products will need to be applied and removed correctly. I'd suggest some microfiber or foam applicators, and a very thin coat of product.

Remove with a clean, dry, quality microfiber towel, turning it frequently to a clean area (quarter the towel so you'll have 8 surfaces to work with).

As for products, in addition to Micro-Polishing Glaze (part # 08100), you'll want to use a wax without a cleaner - that would be our 05550 (paste) or 05750 (liquid) California Gold Pure Brazilian Carnauba Wax.

Our Detail Guide has some excellent tips and tricks in it - take a read and see what you can pick up to help with your quest for flaw free paint.
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Hey,
Congrats for your new car .
You can cure your car by proper servicing within time, wash and wax oiling are main factors for protecting cars and for getting cars for long time.
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Thanks Vertika. I will follow those ideas.

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Congrats for your new car .
You can cure your car by proper servicing within time, wash and wax oiling are main factors for protecting cars and for getting cars for long time.
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Yesterday I wash my car once again as per you guys’ suggestions, and now I am having few long fine spider webbing on the right side of my car. I know you guys are thinking I did not follow the technique properly. Well before you guys’ get more concern, those spiders webbing are real spider webs. I know it was a bad joke. Even I was shocked when I took the car out from the garage in the morning and saw those long spider webs. It took me awhile to realize that they are not scratches; those are just real spider webs and I started laughing at myself. Thanks to you guys! My car washing was really great yesterday and it looks shiny now.
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Then we won't even start talking about pig tails and crow's feet.......
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That is too funny, made my day, thanks.

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Javed,

welcome. You've come to a good place to find information on how best to look after your car.

The washing process, while seemingly such a simple part of car care is probably one of the most critical aspects of caring for your paint.

Forrest, in Comment 2 above mentions something that is one of the better things to take note of with respect to the washing process.

While I live here in Rockhampton in Queensland, Summer temperatures are similar to where you live in Melbourne.

Not having shade to wash the car in I wash the car in sections now. I'm not proposing you do this until you get used to the process, but what Forrest says about the final part of that wash is really helpful here.

Once your paint has been worked up, you'll notice that the final step, the rinse and then the drying becomes easier, because that water does just sheet away, leaving very little water to dry off.

Rinse the car down and then wash it with the suds using that 2 bucket process. However, for that final rinse, hose the suds off, and then take the nozzle off the hose and turn the tap down so the water just dribbles out very slowly from the end of the tap, and just allow that dribbling to flow across the surface, and it's most noticeable on those horizontal surfaces, the roof, bonnet and boot lid as you watch. You'll notice that this very gentle dribbling just sheets the water away, and you are left with very little water to dry off.

This is why it becomes easier to do in smaller sections, all of the roof, all of the bonnet and all of the boot lid, because with just this dribble with no nozzle, then there's no water overspray, working from the top down, as you do.

Now, the drying process itself.

Mothers has that absolutely wonderful waffle weave drying towel that is just perfect for drying your paint. However, those Mothers accessories, all their microfibres, drying towels, brushes etc, are not imported here into Australia.

However, the Australian Importers of Mothers products, The Command Auto Group, do have their own range of microfibres, dryers, brushes etc.

The come under the heading Product Name of MLH.

Now, in that range they do have a good drying towel. It is shown at the following link.

MLH Microfibre Super Absorber

As you can see, it is a large drying towel, almost a yard long by half a yard wide, and if you click your mouse on the image it will expand that image.

Now, again, this is another of those process things you need to observe.

Using that last sheeting rinse with just the dribble of water, after you've done this, just put the hose down, and then just drape the towel onto the surface. Pat it down gently all over, and then just lift it up again. Do not move it across the surface. Just place, pat and lift.

You'll find it only takes four or so of these steps to do the whole roof of the Camry.

Now that the roof is dry, I just use a normal microfibre cloth to go over the surface to dry it off completely, and that is virtually nothing as that drying towel has got nearly all of it.

Considering that the next step is either the start of a work up, or an application of one of the spray wax topper products, then you now have a dry surface to work with.

Now, as to availability of those MLH products, you have access to three major outlets, AutObarn, SuperCheap and to a lesser extent Repco. I use the AutObarn outlets mainly, as their Mothers products range is usually the largest of those 3 retailers. Being in Melbourne, it's just a matter of going to the AutObarn site and clicking the store locater to find the one closest to you.

Now, you'll notice that the outlets stock their Mothers products together, and other car care ranges in that same general area.

The accessories, like the ranges of Microfibres, applicators, etc, are in a separate area, so it's just a matter of looking for where they are, and they're usually close by.

The MLH product range is reasonably extensive, so if you don't find that drying towel at one store, then you'll find it an another, or just ask if they can get you one just by quoting the product code across the counter.

At that link I provided, you'll also see the large range of other MLH products as well, and while the highlighted area in the menu at the left shows all those MLH products, all the Mothers products imported here are at that tab immediately below the MLH listing there.

I hope this helps you in some way.

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Hey, some of you in the U.S. may seem incredulous as to Javed's encountering those spider webs, the real ones, not the ones induced into the painted surfaces.

In the season, mother spider lays her hundreds of tiny eggs. As those minutely small spiders hatch, the first thing that appears with them is a tiny thread of web. This floats on the breeze, and wherever it lands, that's where the baby spider now starts its life. Sometimes, you can see them floating in the breeze, sometimes many hundreds of them.

I saw them a couple of times when I was stationed at Wagga Wagga with the Royal Australian Air Force in the late 80's and early 90's.

This link to the Museum of Victoria, where Javed lives, explains the phenomenon, and this was from 2011, so it's recent, but it's a naturally occurring thing, depending on how prolific the spiders have been from year to year.

Spider Ballooning

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Hmm!

That's new.

I just cruised through that link to the MLH products from the earlier Post of mine.

My biggest bugbear here in Oz is availability of quality MF, and without doubt, those Mothers ones are the finest I have used. The good ones are out there, but usually only available from the specialist car car product suppliers or purchased from outside Oz.

It seems MLH have added some new MF to their range, the ones at that link below the blue Multi Purpose MF packs of 3, 6 and 12.

Those glass cleaning MF are just wonderful for glass cleaning. I lost the first of mine to my good lady wife, and now paper towels are almost redundant for that purpose, as the Glass MH more than halves that process. They're usually so hard to come by, and now it seems MLH has introduced one into their range. Now, whenever I need a new glass MF, I have to get 2 of them.

Looks like AutObarn here has a visit coming, armed with some product codes if they don't have them.

They look good. The only Mothers MF I can get is the one that comes with the clay bar kit, and I have a few spare clay bars now.

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Thanks Tony for wonderful suggestions and the link for MF towel. I also enjoyed the spider story, since I was not aware of it. I am just wondering I get those spider webs (real one) almost everyday in melbourne. What is the best way to remove them, since they are very visible on Black colour. Do not ask me to wash the whole car again
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What is the best way to remove them, since they are very visible on Black colour.
Here I would suggest Showtime.

Where the web has adhered to the car, and here you need realise this is just slightly sticky spider web, just spray the strand of web with the Showtime, leave a few seconds and then wipe off with a microfibre cloth.

With the first one you do like this, after spraying, just wipe a very small end of the web off first to see how easy it comes off, and then do the whole strand of web.

No need to flood the strand or web. Just squeeze the trigger of the Showtime as you move the head of the bottle along the strand.

Showtime doesn't add anything to the painted surface like the range of spray waxes do, it's just an Instant clean to restore the shine already there. Showtime is also best for 'bugsmash' on painted surfaces as well, but it's best if you get them early.

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