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Default Mothers Training Night Australia Ver 2.0.

This years Mother’s Training Night was held on Monday night at the same venue as the previous one in October of last year. The success of the previous one led to an idea for a larger number of people to attend this one. The previous one was opened to around 30 visitors, and only two of those sent their apologies. Of the 50 places on offer this time, 12 failed to show, so even though the numbers were higher, the crowd could have been even bigger.
The sudden cold snap may have been one reason, as it was unseasonably cold for this time of year as a sudden cold snap moved in two days back.
Now I know you guys in the US will think of us as a little ‘wimpy’, but it was actually really cold for here, with the temperature sitting on just 15C, which translates to 60F for you guys, hence for those who did attend, jeans and even jumpers were in the majority.
Still, with the guests, organising staff, and extras, the crowd swelled to around fifty five or so.

Mine host was Paul, the Guy who runs the local AutObarn store. He ran the barbecue for that iconic Australian standard for occasions like this, the ubiquitous ‘sausage sizzle’, only with everything else barbecued as well. After the crowd had depleted most of the stocks of food,
Trevor from AutObarn, as MC introduced Gary Waterson, the Mothers rep for Queensland and the Northern Territory, from The Command Auto Group, Australian importers of Mothers products. Gary had brought along with him another member of the Command family, George from Sydney, their paint specialist and also Ben to assist on the night.
I arrived earlier than ‘kick off’ and George wanted to pick my brains on the Powerball4Paint. He’d seen the videos and wanted to ask why I preferred an 18 Volt drill. His choice was a 14.4 Volt drill. I mentioned the torque of the 18 Volt drill as opposed to the 12 Volt drill that virtually stopped on contact. His 14.4 Volt drill was the first I had seen operate the ball, and it works quite well, even with some pressure applied. I sort of suspected it might as I mentioned in one the videos that a quality DeWalt 14.4 Volt drill would adequately serve the purpose. This was the first time those new products the Paint ball and the new California Gold Spray Wax had been seen here in Queensland, and Trevor mentioned they had already had enquiries for both.
George and I chatted about the Mothers range, and he pointed out some of the work he had done on one of the cars for the demonstration.

The format for this night was changed from the last time, where Gary virtually ran the whole thing on his own. This time, as Gary gave the run down on the Mothers product range, as he got to selected products he ‘threw’ to George who demonstrated that product on two of the cars ‘volunteered’ for the evening. This format worked out better, as the audience got to see the products at work as they came up during the explanation. It also enabled more demonstrations than the last time. This format was by far the better, as more products were demonstrated, and it seemed that because of this, there was more audience responses, always a tough ‘gig’ on something like this.

The first photograph shows the Toyota Camry Sportivo that George came up from Sydney in. The car in the background is Gary’s Commodore shown in the last Training night post. This is the Sports version of the Camry, and even though it might only have the 2.4 Litre four cylinder engine has the grunt of a six combined with the thriftiness of a four, both essential considering Sydney is 600 miles from here, and with fuel at $1.50 per litre, around $5.50 a gallon converted to US figures, making the round trip costing in the vicinity $250.00 plus, just for the fuel alone.

The second photograph shows the range of products along the front display wall. The products along the top are the Powerball4Paint and the California Gold Spray Wax, both new here in Queensland, so much so, that they didn’t even show up on the computerised product costing when the barcode was scanned. Around three fourths of the way along the front row, you’ll see another paint ball. The products to the right of that are the Mothers Marine products, and the last two products there are the local Command Group’s MLH microfibre polishing cloths and applicator. The new products at the back are sitting on top of five kits of the Mothers Wax Attack Polishers, big sellers at this AutObarn outlet, and some more were sold on this night also.

The third photograph is of Gary Waterson, the Command rep who gave the product rundown. As you can see, there was a slide show of the product range displayed on the wall behind him and controlled from a notebook computer which you can just see near the letter M of Mothers, and connected to a slide projector. The Gentleman at far left is Ian, and he was one of the three brave souls who ‘volunteered’ their cars for the demonstrations on the night and when you see the car, you’ll realise just how brave he was. The seated guy is Trevor who is the driving force in organising these nights. The man at the right holding the camera was recording the night and through a transmitter was scanning the images onto the wall at the right above the cars being worked on so the audience could see the work without standing and milling around the actual work area. The product being reviewed here is Naturally Black, which you guys know as Back To Black, same product different name, and one commented upon because of the name change.
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As I mentioned, as the products were being reviewed, Gary would pass across to George who would then demonstrate that product.
At the last training night, they had a red Camry, and the paint was extremely badly oxidised. I took some photographs, but the camera settings were awry, and the photographs showed inconclusive results, so this time, I was sort of hoping that a similar red car would be on offer, as the red shows up so well when the oxidised paint is worked upon. This time again there was a red car with badly oxidised paint. Prior to the evening kicking off, I made sure I got a few photographs from a few angles, and with differing settings on the camera. All but a couple came out this time, so I picked the best of them for inclusion here.

The car is a 1994 Ford Falcon EF XR8. The owner has tricked up the engine from the original 308CI, and included the bonnet pins you see which were not on the standard model. The wires with the securing pins are hanging down each side there.
The paint was fairly average all over, and as is the case with single stage colours, especially the reds, not shot with a clear coat, hence the paint was badly oxidised , and if compared to a car with clear, then the similar would be clear coat failure, a more common occurrence here in Australia than in the US.

George spent time working on half of the car, and the rest would be for demonstration purposes and for members of the audience to try out some of the products as well.
The photographs you see here are of the bonnet, (hood) and he used painters masking tape to delineate the two halves with an absolute line. The left side is how it was all over. The right side you see here was treated first with Pre Wax Cleaner, then the clay bar, then 2 coats of Sealer and Glaze, and then liquid pure Carnauba Wax, the typical Mothers 3 stage UWS.

The first photograph was from direct head on showing the dramatic difference. Between the two sides.
The second photograph I wanted to show the effect with the overhead fluorescent lights across the delineating line, more effectively showing how the surface was recovered. If you look closely between the bottom fluoro and the middle one, you can see the tape line. George used the back of his fingers to audibly demonstrate the difference as he gently passed his fingers across the join from silence on the right side to a distinctly audible rough sound on the left.
He then explained that left untreated the paint would revert to the oxidised state, but that with normal maintenance, the surface would last for quite a while, carefully also explaining that in all reality, the only permanent cure here would be for a repaint and then regular treatment. However, this was quite an effective display of just how an oxidised paint can be recovered in the short term.

The next photograph shows George (with Ben in the background) working on a section he taped off with the Pre Wax Cleaner. For all product application, George use MF cloths, one for application and a second for removal. Again it was easy to see the surface coming back as he worked on it. The tool at the far right on the bonnet is the Mothers Wax Attack with the grey foam bonnet we have for them here in Australia, and in New Zealand also, while in the US, you have the red foam bonnets. It’s not easy to see from that range but half way from the centre to the rim is a small groove where a bead of product can be applied to ease any slinging. The small ‘red’ tub at mid bonnet is a relic, a container for clay bars.

The next photograph shows George working on a wheel with the Mothers mini powerball. The wheel is from an Australian Company based in Sydney, Simmons who specialise in 3 piece modular wheels. The crimson centre is powder coated and clear coated alloy, while the outer section being worked upon is aluminium, as evidenced by the blackish colour on the ball itself.
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I’ve actually decided to commit a whole post to just this one photograph because the topic came up in the paint care forum only yesterday, which might actually seem fortuitous.
When Gary out the front showed the ball without a slide as you may imagine that the slide show does not yet include the paintball. Prior to actually starting, Gary asked if he could ‘throw’ to me to give a short run down on how to use the ball, as he and George were both aware that I had some experience with the ball. So I gave a short run down while George set up, and when I had finished, George then demonstrated the ball using the Synwax. He then asked for a member from the audience to come and try it out.

This gentlemen actually showed up in a 2004 Power Tour Tee Shirt.
Here he is using the Powerball4Paint with the supplied FX Synwax.
The drill you see in use is a Ryobi 14.4 Volt battery drill with variable speed and a clutch, so that if it does dig in then the clutch stops the tool flat. It also has a handle that you can see his left hand holding. The consensus of opinion was that the ball was easy to use. In this case the area being worked upon was the usual 2 foot by 2 foot area size, and he just went back and forward.
He may have gone over the area for what I thought was double the time, but again, that’s something you learn from actually doing it.
The killer question I actually knew was going to be asked, and he asked it as soon as the drill had run down was this.

“How do I know how long to keep going with it, and how much to apply, because it really looks like there’s hardly anything there.”

This is something I also noticed with the Synwax when applied with the ball. It really looks like there’s nothing there, and you feel you really have to keep applying the product for it to show.
I came in here and explained that the impression actually seems that way, so you have to get into the mindset of covering that area in a series of horizontal passes and then a series of vertical passes, and then leave it at that. Move to the next area. Apply the product on that second area, and then go back to the first area and wipe off with a MF.
You have to think of it in much the same manner as you would if applying with an applicator or a MF cloth.

As you know, I use the ball with the paste wax, and this shows up better, especially on a dark car, and as is the nature of the wax itself, it shows up more white than does the Synwax. I could also imagine that using the Synwax on a white car, then the impression might be that there was actually nothing applied to the area being worked upon.
Another advantage I have found with the ball is that when used correctly, then a more even application can be achieved using less product than you might with those small round yellow applicators or a MF cloth.
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I mentioned in the photograph of Gary reviewing the products a gentlemen at the left of the picture called Ian, and how he volunteered his car bravely, and here’s why the bravery.

It’s a Ferrari 308GTSi Targa. This is the car made famous as the daily driver for Tom Selleck in Magnum PI. It originally came out as the 308GTB, then was updated with a slightly more powerful engine into the GTS, and then a later model again added fuel injection hence the letter ‘i’ after the GTS. The Targa model has a removable hard black vinyl section over the cockpit to convert it to a, well, convertible.

Ian has had the car for twenty five years and the paint seemed to me to be in quite good condition. On the back corner section, George used the Reflections and then the Top Coat, both applied and removed with MF. Looking closely, it was easy to see where it had been used, as he had taped off a line first. Impossible to see here I know, but I just wanted to show one of those ‘red’ cars. George again pointed out the difference between the vast areas of flat panels on the Falcon, whereas on the Ferrari, the panels were all virtually curved completely, a perfect example of where a paint ball might be used as opposed to using the Wax Attack on the Falcon’s flat panels.

The next car rolled in was an original Mini, and this car also had a story. The Mini came into being in 1959, and went through numerous model changes. The sports version was always the Mini Cooper S, easily distinguishable for the two fuel tank filler caps one each side at the rear. Towards the end of the third series of Minis, the Cooper and Cooper S variants were dropped, and this model was just known as the Mini 1275GT, and this is the model in the photograph, again the image being marginal, as the crowd was at the front milling around while the Wax Attack was being demonstrated. I took this photograph at the back where the lighting was indeed quite marginal. The car was recovered on its last journey to the wrecker by a young guy who restored it on his own. The car was a basket case at the time and is now back to pristine condition all over, including the 78CI engine, 1275 CC, smaller than the engine in most Harley’s. This is a genuine GT with the two filler caps, an easy indicator as the copies just include the badge with only the one cap.
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So, then, having already attended one Mothers training night, where you might think is the value in attending any more of them.
The things I took away from the night were these.
A correct explanation on how an oxidised paint can be recovered, and gaining quality photographs showing just what can be done for paint you might think of as having gone to heaven.

I also added a new car to my collection, the Mothers Radster at the left of these three.

The poster was a copy of advertising in Australian car magazines for the Mothers products.

I also got my hands on a Mothers California Gold Spray Wax, which was good timing really. I have one more application left in my bottle of FX Spray Wax.

These nights are well worth attending and I feel lucky that I can have access to occasions like these, because the more experience I have with Mothers products, then the more assistance I can be on nights like these.

Thanks go to Paul for staging the night at his AutObarn outlet and manning the barbecue, for Trevor for organising it and acting as MC, the staff at the store, and the three guys from Command, Ben, Gary for the product rundown, and George for his excellent commentary and demonstrations.

It was another excellent night, even if a little on the cool side.

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I do not think Mothers does anything like this in the USA. I suspect it is related to the marketing channel and distribution differences between the two countries.

I had never heard "Don't Ever forget your Mothers" so that must be a local marketing slogan.
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I do not think Mothers does anything like this in the USA. I suspect it is related to the marketing channel and distribution differences between the two countries.

I had never heard "Never forget your Mothers" so that must be a local marketing slogan.
True. They pretty much do their own thing, marketing-wise, within some constraints. We also don't have models with their blonde hair blowing in the breeze, and their mid-riffs showing (not that I noticed).
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Al.
I think that the guy who runs the store has to weigh up the risk for an occasion like this, and that might be the similar situation in the US.
These places are run on a franchise basis, and I would assume the same thing applies in the US. The franchisee has to weigh up the cost of remaining open (at night) for a further what was nearly 5 hours, actually having a place where the setup can be accomplished, having the reps, in this case two of them, with an assistant, all in the one place at the one time, the cost of having the staff stay for that extra time, the overheads for the power, the food, drink, all offset by the probability that not much profit can be made on the night in all reality, as part of the attraction is the offer of 20% discount, so what they are relying on is that those new people who do get interested will come back, and maybe tell their friends.

Here where I live, I have close access to 3 Supercheap Auto stores and they are the largest chain of car care outlets, 3 AutObarn outlets, the next biggest, 3 Cheapa Auto Spares, a local, and 2 Repco, another National dealer, and all of those eleven stores are within 25 miles of me. Gary, being the Command Auto rep supplies Mothers to all of them, and he tells me that this lone Autobarn Store is the only one who has put on nights like this, both quite successful. The Runaway Bay AutObarn where they hold those nights would not be the largest outlet in floor size of those 11 stores, but without fraction of doubt has by far the largest number of Mothers products, and I feel certain that Paul wouldn't stock that range if he wasn't generating sales for them.

That leap of faith at the start to actually make the decision to stage something like this is just that, a leap of faith.
In this case it can be showed that it works.
The questions I got from audience members showed interest in the products, and the encouraging thing was that were 3 women in attendance, and one of them actually got in and used the Wax Attack Polisher, as you can see looking across the roof in the last photograph of the blue Mini.
The questions from the floor were of genuine interest, and when the product can be shown to actually do the work it says with such visible results was also telling.

I might suggest that actually thinking something like this can work is part of leap of faith, but the main thought these days I feel is the mindset of having to make it pay for itself.

In this case, it has been shown to work.

I asked about the poster, and yes, it is a completely local thing, as you can see with the wording at the bottom, that of Command Auto, the Australian importers. She might seem a little too young to, er, actually be a Mother. I think that the photo might be generated out of Melbourne, because the Power transmission lines make me think Calder Park Raceway.
(Transmission lines..... What transmission lines?)

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OT: @momsPH -- they're in version 2 already... hint, hint, hint. ;-P
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