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I just used the UWS on the left rear quarter of my G5, and saw little to no improvement. There are still swirls. Does it take repeated applications or should I be using Scratch Remover? Thanks
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Let's see some good before and after photos.
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Maybe you should put another coat of wax on... that usually helps me if I still have swirls.

Not to see any results is quite strange. Did you use a buffer or apply by hand?
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Maybe you should put another coat of wax on... that usually helps me if I still have swirls.

Not to see any results is quite strange. Did you use a buffer or apply by hand?
I applied by hand. I saw a slight improvement I suppose. The section had been buffed by a body shop and had rather bad swirls. I used it on part of my rear spoiler and saw some improvement.

Does it take more than one coat of S/G or wax to hide them completely?
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I applied by hand. I saw a slight improvement I suppose. The section had been buffed by a body shop and had rather bad swirls. I used it on part of my rear spoiler and saw some improvement.
I think that might be your problem. I see day and night difference when I apply by hand and use a buffer. The latter really gets the product into the crevices and minimizes them.

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Does it take more than one coat of S/G or wax to hide them completely?
I don't know how deep your swirls are, but if they are deep enough, yes. Did you polish before you sealed/ glazed? Polish helps take micron layers of paint off to minimize the swirls/ scratches/ etc. You might want to try some polish if you had'nt already. If you used it, try another coat of S/G... and maybe another top coat of wax.
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If you've got swirls introduced by a rotary buffer, you're likely going to need someone -- someone else that is -- to use a rotary to get rid of them.
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I think that might be your problem. I see day and night difference when I apply by hand and use a buffer. The latter really gets the product into the crevices and minimizes them.
I don't have nor do I know how to use a buffer.


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I don't know how deep your swirls are, but if they are deep enough, yes. Did you polish before you sealed/ glazed? Polish helps take micron layers of paint off to minimize the swirls/ scratches/ etc. You might want to try some polish if you had'nt already. If you used it, try another coat of S/G... and maybe another top coat of wax.
Like PowerPolish, or something different?
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I should add that spoiler paint will very often be different -- softer -- than body paint.

If you're going to do a second application of anything, try the Sealer & Glaze.

Do a test spot or two and see what combination helps. But you would want to use Pre-Wax Cleaner again. Then try two coats of Sealer & Glaze and see how that works. Once it looks good, apply Pure Carnauba Wax to protect is.
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If you've got swirls introduced by a rotary buffer, you're likely going to need someone -- someone else that is -- to use a rotary to get rid of them.
great...

I guess I am going to have to read up on how to use a PC and try it. I am just afraid I will burn through the paint.
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I should add that spoiler paint will very often be different -- softer -- than body paint.

If you're going to do a second application of anything, try the Sealer & Glaze.

Do a test spot or two and see what combination helps. But you would want to use Pre-Wax Cleaner again. Then try two coats of Sealer & Glaze and see how that works. Once it looks good, apply Pure Carnauba Wax to protect is.
OK, I will try that.

Would it be better to use FX SynWax on top of the Sealer & Glaze or Pure Carnauba Wax?
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OK, I will try that.

Would it be better to use FX SynWax on top of the Sealer & Glaze or Pure Carnauba Wax?
Hard to say. Try two sections side-by-side and see how they compare.

A Porter-Cable random-orbital is pretty safe, but may not have the power to remove the swirls, depending on how bad they are. A rotary takes a lot of expertise, and it would be better to get a reputable detail shop to fix it.
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I don't have nor do I know how to use a buffer.
If you're on a budget, maybe you can invest in the PowerBall 4Paint... just fits into a drill. If you have a little extra dough, you can get a really nice one. I personally use a random orbital buffer, and I absolutely love it!!


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I'd use PowerPolish... but don't put it on the soiler since Admin said so, and Mother's know best!
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If you're on a budget, maybe you can invest in the PowerBall 4Paint... just fits into a drill. If you have a little extra dough, you can get a really nice one. I personally use a random orbital buffer, and I absolutely love it!!




I'd use PowerPolish... but don't put it on the soiler since Admin said so, and Mother's know best!
We only said the spoiler may respond favorably since it is often softer paint.

A PowerBall 4Paint is not advised to attempt to remove rotary swirls. It took high-speed to put them on the paint and it will take high-speed to take them out.

Let's see some pictures this weekend and see what we're dealing with.

But to summarize, I'd try another crack at the Pre-Wax Cleaner and two applications of Sealer & Glaze, followed by FX SynWax just for a test to see if it helps. But usually buffer swirls are so deep that you're going to have to polish them out.

Polishing out buffer swirls will likely require a professional and a rotary. You may get somewhere with a Porter-Cable 7xxx series random orbital and some yellow Lake Country cutting pads and some PowerPolish.

Likely it would be best to have a reputable detailer to fix it.
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This is good to know. I am going to fully detail a friends Subaru WRX, and I was wondering if I could use a buffer on it. Should I do that section by hand, or do you think it's safe you use a random orbital?

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A Porter-Cable random-orbital is pretty safe, but may not have the power to remove the swirls, depending on how bad they are.
What is the power difference between rotary buffer and a random orbital? I thought the new and better one to have was the random orbital.
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I will try the techniques you all mentioned. If it has to be buffed, I may just have to live with it for now. I will try to take good pics this weekend.
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This is good to know. I am going to fully detail a friends Subaru WRX, and I was wondering if I could use a buffer on it. Should I do that section by hand, or do you think it's safe you use a random orbital?



What is the power difference between rotary buffer and a random orbital? I thought the new and better one to have was the random orbital.
The better random-orbital is a Porter-Cable. This is a great machine for multi-purpose use and light correction.

Rotary machines are best left for the professional for severe correction. A good example of why consumers shouldn't use one is that a "professional" installed the swirls on the subject car.
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I'm just gonna throw this out there.

Would the Wax Attack help any?
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Would the Wax Attack help any?
The Wax Attack is a handy polisher and wax applicator, and is not really designed for correction of severe defects.
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The Wax Attack is a handy polisher and wax applicator, and is not really designed for correction of severe defects.
Thanks.

I may have to resort to having them corrected.
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