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    My New Toy!!!!!!!!!!!

    Got a PC, and I like it. But i neede something with a little more oomph to it, and I am not ready to unleash my murdering rotary skills on the public. So I got this thing here:



    Details shortly.....:cool

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    How`s theweight and balance on that DA. I heard Dewalt has a mean DA now also. I am guessing that is a Makita???
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    Wow, a dual action dual action!!! Must be good! But it is two times more xpensive in Hungary, as in the States!!!!! Post your experiences!
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    I`ve never used a PC. Got the DeWalt DW443. I love the thing. It can even heat the paint up some. Was getting it up to 120 degrees the other day working out some scuff marks. And Buda says an DA doesn`t create enough heat to fully work out polishes.

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    Never used one of those. It looks like maybe it`s inbetween a cyclo and PC?
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    That`s pretty cool how you can switch between DA and rotary motion.

    $299 though is a bit more than I`d want to pay though. Part of the good thing about tool that`s only a rotary is they have a big motor and can handle moving a large pad around.

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    Here`s a quick review. Just my initial thoughts, so don`t take this as gospel.

    My peeves

    This machine is not quiet. In comparison to the PC, I do not see any real difference in noise muting. I still had to raise my voice just to have a conversation with someone on the other side of the car I was working on, and I had to shut off the machine a few times to hear what folks were saying to me.

    The machine feels heavy, with a good portion of the weight appearing to sit on top of the head. Which makes total sense, since this does rotary and d/a acton at the same time. Which brings me to my next peeve.....

    The machine for some reason does not have a side handle. I thought I was going to be getting one with it when I ordered, but no luck. I will be contacting either Makita or Tyler tomorrow to see whats the deal with that (when I bought this, there was a section that indicated side handle). Having the side handle does make a bit of difference to me, since it can help you steer and better control the machine when you are running it at a high speed. In one scary moment, I lost control of the machine, and it lightly skipped over the section I was working on. Fortunately, I was able to correct this before I did damage. Unlike the PC, this thing can fatigue you because you are forced to distribute your arms in a fashion that you may not be totally comfortable with. For guys used to controlling buffers and/ or da`s by the head, then this should not be a problem for you. But for the rest of us...

    Thumbing through the manual, it warns not to run at very low speeds for a low time, as it may wear down the internals. This I do not like; it implies that the machine is wimpy and does not have the torque to go for long runs.

    Unlike the PC, the speed control is not detented, so you are not exactly locked in to a particular setting until you hear and or feel the power increase or decrease.

    I have not had a chance to try any other backing plates, but so far it looks like I am going to have a hard time with this puppy. Removal of the stock plate it comes with requires a hex key, and I just so happen not to have any right now. Once I am able to pull the plate off, I will have an idea of what (if any) headaches I am in store for.

    It has an irritating little nozzle along the lower side of the head, used for dust evacuation. Of course it is a sander after all. Odd that PC does not have one on its machine. In any case, this may be a concern for some of you since working an angle might cause contact of the nozzle with the paint surface. For now, I am going to see about getting it taped up or something.

    It is not cheap. Street value is around 299.00 and up. The lowest price I have seen for one of these was at Tyler Tools, which just so happens is the place that I purchased this from. It cost me 259.00, with free shipping.

    Suffice to say, It does have a learning curve, but just a slight one. If you are comfortable with the PC, then you should not take long to get used to this device. As mentioneed in the CMA site, this provides you with two modes of operation: orbital, and roto-orbit. In regular orbit mode, it functions just like any d/a machine. When in roto-orbit, the pad stills jiggles around, but also has a forced rotation as well. I did not check the opm in just random orbit mode, but in roto mode opm is about 5800, and rpm is about just over 600. These are max numbers settings on the machine. What reall appealed to me was the rpm`s of course. While it may not give you optimum performance of a rotary, it does allow you to do more paint correction than you would be able to accomplish with just a PC.

    The power switch is nice, allowing you to hold the button in to run the machine for a quick moment, or lock it in place for an extended working out. I also like that the switch is along the side of the machine as oppossed to being on the top. This allows you to remain in control of the machine while you turn it off with your thumb. The only downside I see in this design is that left handed folks may have a problem with controlling this device, as you would probably have to use your left index finger (as oppossed to your left thumb) to control the off/ on action. This could prove to be very cumbersome.

    In spite of the negatives I`ve encountered, I like this thing. It provides orbital action as well as rotary action. I have found that I can accomplish things a lot faster with this than I can with the PC (and I really like the PC).

    If you are interested, I would suggest that you try one out at a tool rental place. This will give you a chance to get a feel for this machine so you can decide if this is for you.

    I`ll have more to say on this in a little while from now...
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    Had a chance to contact Makita this morning about the side handle, and about the hex key. The side handle is in fact an option piece not sold with the buffer- the hex key is supposed to come with the kit. They`re sending both out to me, and hopefuly i will have them by this Thurs or Fri. cost me an additional 9.00 plus shipping.

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    Originally posted by usdm
    Thumbing through the manual, it warns not to run at very low speeds for a low time, as it may wear down the internals. This I do not like; it implies that the machine is wimpy and does not have the torque to go for long runs.
    I actually think a lot of electric motors are like this. I believe it might have to do with the machine overheating. I don`t know. Electrical equipment confuses me. Anyone know an EE they can ask?

    It has an irritating little nozzle along the lower side of the head, used for dust evacuation. Of course it is a sander after all. Odd that PC does not have one on its machine. In any case, this may be a concern for some of you since working an angle might cause contact of the nozzle with the paint surface. For now, I am going to see about getting it taped up or something.
    The PC, this Makita, and the DeWalt are all orbital sanders. My DeWalt also has the dust collection nozzle on it. They weren`t designed for use on paint but someone figured out they work well for detailing. And compared to other sanders, the PC is somewhat cheap, which would explain why it didn`t come setup for dust collection.

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    hmmm.... you got my creative detail juices flowing and this one I might just look into. I`ve been using a rotary for over 17 years now -- and the DA`s never really excite me they just seemed to me like scaled down waxmasters.

    But this one looks interesting. Please keep us posted on your tests.

    Also for those who may be looking to buy -- I found this link :

    http://store.yahoo.com/tylertool/makbo66varsp.html

    $259.00 with free shipping
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    It figures!

    Geez, I just replaced my Makita 9227C several months ago.

    The old one finally blew the gears, and I new it was time to lay it to rest in my tool mausoleum.

    I knew the side handle for this tool is an option, like other Makita sanders. Why they do that who knows?

    Interested to see how well this thing does.

    USDM,

    Great write-up! Keep us informed!

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    Originally posted by Intel486
    I actually think a lot of electric motors are like this. I believe it might have to do with the machine overheating. I don`t know. Electrical equipment confuses me. Anyone know an EE they can ask?
    Good point. In the short amount of time I used this puppy, it did heat up a bit, but the heatup happened regardless of whether I ran at high or low speed. The palm grip on the head does allow you to keep working, though, as that section only gets a little warm.

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    Originally posted by dr_detail
    hmmm.... you got my creative detail juices flowing and this one I might just look into. I`ve been using a rotary for over 17 years now -- and the DA`s never really excite me they just seemed to me like scaled down waxmasters.

    But this one looks interesting. Please keep us posted on your tests.

    Also for those who may be looking to buy -- I found this link :

    http://store.yahoo.com/tylertool/makbo66varsp.html

    $259.00 with free shipping
    Thats the place I got it from. Based on the talk i had with the Makita Rep, don`t be surprised if you don`t get the hex key, and don`t expect to get the side handle. Just order it from Makita directly. The parts usually ship out from Chi-town, so i would recon 3-4 days for either coast. Even if you have to order the parts seperately, the overall cost (at the onset), still comes out cheaper. Good news is that it already comes with a 6" hook and loop pad, so you can still use your pad of choice.

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    Re: It figures!

    Originally posted by Deanski
    Geez, I just replaced my Makita 9227C several months ago.

    The old one finally blew the gears, and I new it was time to lay it to rest in my tool mausoleum.

    I knew the side handle for this tool is an option, like other Makita sanders. Why they do that who knows?

    Interested to see how well this thing does.

    USDM,

    Great write-up! Keep us informed!

    Regards,
    Deanski
    Thanks Deanski.

    LOL, wish i knew about the side handle thing in advance. One of the guys on Autopia got one of these as well, but only because he could not get a PC. I recall him saying that he did not get a side handle either, but i just assummed that it was because he was overseas (not that it should make any difference).

    I can`t think of a reason why not supply the handle either. I guess maybe the folks that buy these things don`t need them. I know I do, though.

    I can tell you off the bat that I was able to do some more extensive correction with this tool. I was able to significantly reduce a scratch that had been on my car for a while. I hit it with FCRC, then some FP. I ran both compound and polish around 4 1/2 (my best guess), and had the machine set on roto-orbit. I am certain if I took my time with it, I could`ve almost eliminated it. Unfortunately, I have a day job, and this detailing thing right now is just an expensive hobby. I do know that when i tried the same steps with the PC, i did not even make a dent in the thing, and it took me a lot longer just to accomplish nothing.

    If i am going to accomplsh nothing, then i want to do it NOW

 

 
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